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CNN
Sep 14, 2012 10:00am PDT
are in custody in benghazi. they're being indirectly linked to the rocket attack on the u.s. consulate. i want to talk to jimana in tripoli, the libyan capital west of benghazi. first of all, what do we know about those arrested? >> very little, suzanne, so far. what we understand from libyan officials is that at least one of those arrested is a -- they were detained in benghazi yesterday. we know they are being interrogated to see what role they had in the attack, but according to one sore libyan official today, they may not have been directly linked to the attack. they may have ties to the extremist organization that carried out the attack. they have not been charged yet. they are detained and being intrargted acorked to libyan officials, so we should be knowing about this as information is released by the libyan government. >> do we believe these people are really responsible for what took place, or does this look like this is more kind of a show? >> well, quite frankly, suzanne, the libyan government here is under a lot of pressure when it comes to this. not only from the united states, bu
CNN
Sep 14, 2012 2:00am PDT
in the muslim world. >>> and new developments in the benghazi lib attack. four people now under arrest, all four victims now identified. good morning. welcome to "early start," i'm christine romans. >> and i'm brianna keilar. zoraida zam lynn and john berman are off. it's 5:00 in the east so let's get started. >>> protests erupting overnight and with friday prayers ending in just one hour u.s. embassies around the world are bracing for more. overnight, the anger and defiance that started wednesday over an anti-muslim movie made in the u.s. spreading to 11 countries from egypt to as far west as morocco and as far east as india. the worst of it in yemen, where at least five yemenis were killed as hundreds of protesters stormed the american embassy in sanaa. cars and bottles smashed, water cannons brought out to control this crowd. in egypt, where the violence first erupted three days ago, more clashes. protesters setting fires and the egyptian military deploying tanks to keep things calm. and in libya news overnight that four people arrested in the murder of ambassador ch
CNN
Sep 14, 2012 1:00pm PDT
.s. personnel have been evacuated from benghazi, libya. and very small skeletal staffs in tripoli and also yemen. but the u.s. is also looking at other countries. we have ten countries that you just mentioned where there are u.s. protests. clearly they're looking at sudan right now. right now they're not evacuating people. again, they're saying stay tuned. make sure you're registered with the embassy. right now everyone's relying on commercial travel to get out. the roads are open. everything's open, wolf. right now it's just seems to be localized just at these u.s. embassies and not kind of chaos spreading throughout the country. >> these are live pictures we're showing our viewers now from tahrir square in cairo. not very far from the u.s. embassy. you've been there, i've been there. it's only a few -- maybe a block away. but they have apparently established all sorts of barriers around the u.s. embassy. it's a huge embassy too. >> it's a huge embassy. it's like a complex, if you will. even as you have the setback in these reinforcements, they're asking the local government in the last couple
CSPAN
Sep 12, 2012 8:00pm EDT
.s. consulate in been gaza that killed -- benghazi that killed four american citizens. the two confirmed thus far among the dead are slawn smith, an air force veteran turned information management officer and ambassador chris stevens, one of america's finest and bravest foreign service officers. i didn't know sean smith, i know he's a great american who served his country, but i had gotten to know chris stevens quite well. and ambassador chris stevens' death, the libyan people have lost a champion and believer in the peaceful aspirations of their democratic revolution. the american people have lost a selfless and dedicated servant of our interests and our values, and i have lost a friend. my thoughts and prayers today are with chris' family and the loved ones of his fallen colleagues. my god grant them comfort in their time of grief. our most urge vent -- urgent order of business is now is to ensure our citizens in libya and egypt and elsewhere across the world are safe. americans look to the government in libya and egypt and elsewhere to meet their responsibilities in this regard. we also lo
CNN
Sep 14, 2012 1:00am PDT
for their rage. whatever the true motivations it's not just cairo anymore. not just benghazi, libya where four americans, including the u.s. ambassador to libya were killed in the turmoil. ambassador christopher stevens, state department computer expert sean smith, former navy s.e.a.l. glen doherty, and breaking news about the fourth victim. he has now been identified, tyron woods, a former navy s.e.a.l. as well. according to knsd, woods was from the area, from imperial beach, 41 years old. his ex-wife telling the station he loved being a s.e.a.l. more than life itself. we do have late developments on an arrest today in connection with his killing, as well as the search for additional suspects. and the libyans, many of whom have expressed shock and outrage over the killings. as we said, the anti-american flames are spreading. in addition to libya and egypt, there were protests as well today in yemen, sudan, iraq, morocco, gaza. at least 11 hotspots now including israel, iran, and the cash kashmir region by india. not just contained in the arab world anymore. the most dramatic and deadly erupti
FOX News
Sep 26, 2012 6:00am PDT
in benghazi. that is where we begin. i'm bill hemmer. good morning to "america's newsroom.". martha: good morning, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. there are still really a lot of unanswered questions. it is still unclear what the libyan government is doing to bring those killers to justice. president obama yesterday telling the u.n. assembly that america will get to the bottom of the murders of chris stevens and the others. >> the attack on civilians in benghazi were attacks on america. there should be no doubt we will be relentless tracking down the killers and bringing them tobill: how possit while order in libya is still unknown? we want to begin our coverage now. greg palkot streaming live out of tripoli. what is the latest on this militia crackdown there, greg? >> reporter: bill, martha, we're getting mixed signals about that. we were just talking to our contact in benghazi. he said one of the key militias in that city is it falling into line with the government. we've been out and about here in tripoli. we visited one compound where militias were driven out by libyan security force
CNN
Sep 15, 2012 2:00pm PDT
a blackened ruin was a pleasant compound in an upscale benghazi neighborhood. libyan officials say tuesday night's attack was planned by islamist militants. and quickly overwhelmed the libyan and american guards. the compound's first line of defense, easily breached. according to one of the libyan guards who was stationed at the gate, armed with only a radio, the assault happened simultaneously from three different directions. he says that he initily hard chanting, growing louder and louder, and then suddenly, the gunfire, the rocket-propelled grenades, and machine gun fire attacking the compound. he is so terrified from retaliation he refuses to appear on camera. he says at one point the masked men came over and threatened him at gunpoint. he only survived because he was led away. a rocket-propelled grenade took out the power and set the main residence on fire. here, the bedroom where u.s. ambassador chris stevens stayed, part of a small suite. we are told this is where the ambassador, after being separated from his guards in the chaos, smoke and darkness died of smoke inhalation. what we
NBC
Sep 12, 2012 7:00am EDT
happened yesterday in the city of benghazi. a libyan security official told nbc news that the u.s. ambassador, chris stevens, was killed when a mob, an armed mob attacked the consulate in benghazi yesterday. first they attacked the consulate with rpgs and then automatic rifles and then set the building on fire. this official says that the u.s. ambassador was holed up in some sort of room and apparently died of smoke inhalation. the u.s. state department has not officially confirmed his death, only saying that a u.s. official has been killed. >> and richard, do we know anything about the identity of the three others that were killed in that attack as well? are they americans, military personnel? >> reporter: we don't know. we know -- we've been told that the u.s. ambassador's body and three other bodies have been taken to the benghazi airport. there are some reports that at least one, perhaps all of them, may have been u.s. marines, but we have not been able to confirm that. our source is only saying that it was the ambassador. three other bodies and that the libyan president and
CSPAN
Sep 12, 2012 5:00pm EDT
, entitled u.s. officials expect strike on benghazi post coordinated, timed for 9/11 anniversary. u.s. officials are increasingly suspicious that the murder tuesday of the u.s. ambassador to libya, christopher stevens, and three other american officials was not the result of a protest against anti-islam film but instead was a coordinated terror strike timed for the 11th anniversary of the september 11 attacks. a senior administration official told fox news that they are exhaustively investigating every angle of the attack in benghazi and an earlier assault on the embassy in cairo, egypt, but there are early signs that the benghazi assault may have been planned. the official caution -- cautioned, though that the administration has not jumped to any conclusions about what happened, saying it would be premature to do so. the article goes on down and it quotes different people, one pete hoekstra, former chairman of the house intelligence committee, who told fox news that the attack appeared to have the markings of an al qaeda or al qaeda-affiliated strike. quotes him as saying, we have
NBC
Sep 12, 2012 7:00am PDT
pretoria to baghdad and finally to benghazi. the mission that drew chris and sean and their colleagues to libya is both noeble and necessary. we and the people of libya honor their memory by carrying it forward. this is not easy. today, many americans are asking, indeed, i asked myself, how could this happen. how could this happen in a country we helped liberate in a city we helped save from destruction. this question reflects just how complicated and, at times, how confounding, the world can be. but we must be clear-eyed even in our grief. this was an attack by a small and savage group. not the people or government libya. everywhere chris and his team went in libya, in a country scarred by war and tyranny, they were hailed as friends and partners. and when the attack came yesterday, libyans stood and fought to defend our post. some were wounded. libyans carried chris' body to the hospital and they helped rescue and lead other americans to safety. and last night, when i spoke to the president of libya, he strongly condemned the violence and pledged every effort to protect our people an
FOX News
Sep 29, 2012 1:00pm PDT
from both sides of the aisle. attack in benghazi that left four americans dead, including chris stevens, ambassador to libya. molly henneberg is live in washington. >> molly: the white house and state department are defending ambassador susan rice. a spokesman for barack obama says she has done extraordinary work for the american people. also democratic senator john kerry called rice, quote a remarkable public servant and state department put out a statement defending rice's comments to those sunday shows. the statement said, quote, at every turn, ambassador rice said she was providing the best information and best assessment that the administration had at the time. based on what was provided to ambassador rice and other senator senior intelligence committee but they knew one day of the assault that it was a coordinated terror attack likely tied to al-qaeda. congressman king wants to know why ambassador rice went on tv five days after the attack and said otherwise. >> the entire administration, miss informed the world and she was our representative to the world explaining what happened.
CNN
Sep 13, 2012 1:00pm PDT
have now made at least one arrest in connection with the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. let's go live to our pentagon correspondent chris lawrence getting new details on what's going on. chris, what are you learning? >> yeah, wolf, just in the past few hours libya's own prime minister told cnn's own christiane amonopore have arrested one man. he is currently being interrogated. and libyan authorities say they have several others under surveillance and more arrests may be on the way. meantime, u.s. intelligence officials say they are digging deeper and getting more information about who may have been behind this attack. at this point they say it does not appear to be a core al qaeda group, wolf. >> what does that mean? a core al chi da affiliate groups. what does that mean, a core al qaeda group? >> they think it's very possible that this could have been an al qaeda-inspired group. some group that is not directly affiliated with the hierarchy of al qaeda but does support the aims and ideals of al qaeda. >> and what about the u.s. warships, chris, that are heading toward libya
FOX News
Sep 30, 2012 3:00am PDT
administration, as lawmakers have now sent a letter to james clapper demanding answers on benghazi attack. of considers, yesterday we were talking about james clapper. friday, his office coming out and basically staking responsibility for the intelligence failures. well, now, senator joe lieberman and others coming forward with this letter. >> alisyn: and also, who is going to take responsible for the tactffactactfufact-- spblt for three weeks later. 20 days past the september 11th attacks and fbi isn't in benghazi, they're in tripoli, for security reasons they say, they say that the libyan security forces aren't providing them with security and some sort of visa problem. this is unheard of. so, senator bob corker and joe lieberman among others, they want answers from clapper about why it's happening. >> dave: to the point at that tony schaeffer made on our program yesterday, he's worked with the fbi, some of the toughest and highly technically trained individuals on the planet. comfortable going into hostile zones like benghazi, it must not be an internal reason, it must be someone else
MSNBC
Sep 14, 2012 12:00pm PDT
/11 anniversary retribution of the united states because they new ambassador stevens was in benghazi. americans should have faith that the libyan examiner is very much worth pursuing. >> ambassador ginsberg, thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> up next, just 53 days to the election. of course, all this is getting politicized. we'll bring it down many the spin cycle next on this friday, september 14th. ♪ ♪ i can do anything ♪ i can do anything today ♪ i can go anywhere ♪ i can go anywhere today ♪ la la la la la la la [ male announcer ] dow solutions help millions of people by helping to make gluten free bread that doesn't taste gluten free. together, the elements of science and the human element can solve anything. solutionism. the new optimism. i'm also a survivor of ovarian a writand uterine cancers. and the human element can solve anything. i even wrote a play about that. my symptoms were a pain in my abdomen and periods that were heavier and longer than usual for me. if you have symptoms that last two weeks or longer, be brave, go to the doctor. ovarian and uterine cancers are
CSPAN
Sep 13, 2012 1:00am EDT
allies and presumably this group that attacked the amecan consulate in benghazi yesterday. i understand that the results of some of the first elections of -- are unclear, in some sense unsettled to some people here, but the fact is they've chosen democracy. and people are self-governing and they're looking for a better life, and that's exactly the posite of what bin laden, al qaeda, and i would guess the people who killed chris stevens yesterday dire. so senator mccain is absolutely right, this is the day -- i can almost hear chris stevens saying, come on, get up, stay in the fight; don't surrender to the crazies, to the fanatics, to the violent extremists. stand with the overwhelming majority, with the people of libya who want just what we want, a better future for themselves and their families. mr. mccain: i'd just like to say in conclusion i thank my old, dear friend from connecticut and the senator from south carolina. and i finally would just share with my colleagues, on last july 7th, i was in tripoli with chris stevens and it was the first free and fair election the libyan people
CNN
Sep 28, 2012 4:00pm EDT
consulate in benghazi was a deliberate and organized terrorist assault carried out by extremists affiliated or sympathetic with al qaeda, a flat statement just issued. let's discuss the political fallout in our strategy session. joining us now, the democratic strategist and cnn political contributor donna brazile, along with david frum, contributing editor at "the daily beast" and "newsweek." david, a powerful statement just released by the director of national intelligence. it totally contradicts what the administration was saying in the days that immediately followed the killing of ambassador stevens and the three other americans. what do you make of this? >> totally supports what my colleague reported three days ago who was the first with this story. what it makes is the american ambassador dead, the administration's first impulse was to find ways to cover itself and avoid acknowledging the mistake the ambassador had completely inadequate security in a dangerous place. and it did that by pitting on this youtube video of the maker on his way to prison and charged under other offenses. in
FOX News
Sep 22, 2012 3:00am PDT
group that is assumed to have been behind the attack on the u.s. con salute in benghazi erupted in hundreds of angry libyan citizens stormed the compound. this time at the headquarters of one of the islamic extremist groups suspected in the attack. they have from the compound and set fire to their offices. unprecedented backlash against the group al sharia, one of the groups behind the american consulate attack. tens of thousands of libyans marched through the streets of benghazi to protest against the armed militias that are creating anarchy in cities like benghazi. one protester said did he not want to begin people in his country walking the streets looking like the taliban. back to you in new york. >> thanks so much for the update. >> a tale of two different countries and the response to this thing. it's been interesting to watch as unfolded a day of love. officials there in pakistan saying we have got to stop, this we are burning our own stuff. you are going into our own banks. you are burning our own banks and cars. this sour own stuff. >> it's wonderful to see the libyan p
FOX News
Sep 29, 2012 3:00am PDT
of two weeks now. that is what happened in benghazi? why was the message coming out of the administration so muddled at best and misleading at worse? when did they know that it was a terrorist attack? why won't the president actually use the term terrorist attack? well, yesterday there was a major break through and one agency came out and took responsibility. >> in fact, it was james clapper's office, the director of national intelligent basically trying to take the onus off the white house by saying hey it was the intelligence community's fault and said, this quote: in the immediate aftermath there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day in cairo. we provided that initial assessment to the executive branch officials and members of congress who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. through the our investigation we continued to emphasize that our information was preliminary and evolving. >> we were waiting for someone like james clapper or tom donilin to weigh
FOX News
Sep 17, 2012 3:00pm PDT
's emerging as one of the key questions along with why there wasn't more security in benghazi. >> bret: ed henry traveling with the president in columbus, ohio. thank you. as i said at the top of the show, iowa is a popular place today. we're here. so are the two men running for vice president. the top of the g.o.p. ticket, however, is in california tonight on outreach of group firmly in his opponent's corper. chief political correspondent carl cameron has that story from los angeles. >> emphasizing more details of the five-point economic plan in contrast to what he says is lack from the president, mitt romney promised the 33rd hispanic chamber of commerce convention in los angeles he would end what he called the obama administration hos silty toward small business. >> national unemployment is 8.1%. hispanic unemployment is over 10%. over 2 million more hispanics are living in post officeerty y than when obama took office. >> he told the business group he would reform immigration policy. unlike the president who promised he would make it a priority. >> the president never offered up a bil
MSNBC
Sep 16, 2012 9:00am PDT
assessment is that what happened in benghazi was, in fact, initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo. almost a copycat of the demonstrations against our facility in cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. what we think then transpired in benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. they came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are readily available in post-revolutionary libya, and they escalated into a much more violent episode. >> nbc is live for us in benghazi, libya. let's talk about the u.s. officials who are on the ground now. how many of the suspects are in custody and are there any leads on other suspects? >> alex, we had the chance yesterday to speak to libya's president, head of the general national council here. he told us he did agree with ambassador rice on one point. he believes this was a sinister, preplanned attack. this was the hallmark of foreign militants who had come into libya to exploit the security vacuum here and planned a very specific attack against the united
Current
Sep 13, 2012 8:00pm PDT
not secret. when ambassador stevens was moving from tripoli to benghazi, he was doing public events. his schedule was known ahead of time. so i have a perhaps a different perspective because in libya right now, there are militias that are both internal and external. the whole eastern part of libya right now is under the control of islamic extremists, east of benghazi. there are towns where the government has not control where extremists have gained a foothold and there's no way of knowing whether they're domestic or foreign. >> eliot: even though there has been a democratic process in libya, there is a government which we obviously recognize and have somewhat cordial relationships with, the actual capacity of the government to control the way we think of government control and territory is limited especially as you say in the eastern part. >> there are consistent attacks that have been undertaken in libya against the government by elements of rem nines of a gadhafi regime, islamic extremists. there have been power outa
CSPAN
Sep 18, 2012 5:00pm EDT
on a different topic. it seems that the u.s. ande and libya have different accounts of the attacks in benghazi. there are reports that libyan officials warned the u.s. of the growing extremist threat prior to the attack. they admit they had could not control these militias. that directly counter what is administration officials have said. this is just a reaction to the islamic film. >> what i can tell you is that we have the right information about what we believe was the per siptating cause of the protest and the violence. based on the information that we have had available. there is an ongoing investigation, the f.b.i. is investigating, and that investigation will follow the facts wherever they lead. what we do know about libya is that it's a country that emerged from war and revolution and you have a new government trying to assert its authority as that country makes a transition to democracy and broader representation for all libyans. and broader rights for all libyans. and in that environment there are certainly in this post-war, post-revolution environment, there are vast numbers of weap
FOX News
Sep 23, 2012 3:00am PDT
to join in this quote, blessed mission. in benghazi, hundreds protesting against the militia blamed for the a tack on the embassy. and to rid them of the those in eastern libya and the collapse of the regime. and a source telling the evidence points to a joint evident by al sharia not tied with al-qaeda, but sympathetic tried to fail establishing a state in eastern libya. and, the detainee is linked to the group in libya considered the most extremely. given the consulate attack is now branded tyrannyism, why the obama administration seems to be leaning to criminal prosecution. >> how could an attack go that long and what kind of response do we have in place for an attack that of could have went from six to ten to 12 hours and the law enforcement model seems to be being used here. i think that's a huge mistake, the fbi agent who briefed us was singularly unimpressive. >> reporter: fox news is first it report on 9-13 two days of the attack there was evidence suggesting insider help and reuters is now reporting that that is the central focus of the fbi investigation. guys, back to you
CSPAN
Sep 14, 2012 10:30pm EDT
not represent a benghazi or islam." the president of the palestinian authority, who worked closely with chris sent me a letter of remembering his energy and integrity and deploring "an act of ugly terror." many others from across the middle east and africa have offered similar sentiments. this has been a difficult week for the state department's and for our country. we have seen the heavy assault on our post in benghazi bad took lives of those brave men. we have seen rage and violence directed at american embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do it. it is hard for the american people to make sense of that because it is senseless. it is totally unacceptable. the people of egypt, libya, yemen, and tunisia did not trade the tyranny of the dictator for the tyranny of a mob. reasonable people and responsible leaders in these countries need to do everything they can to restore security and hold accountable those behind these violent acts. we will, under the president's leadership, keep taking steps to protect our personnel around the world. there will be more difficult days
Current
Sep 12, 2012 7:00pm PDT
in cairo at about 4:00 in the afternoon then attackers in libya entered the american consulate in benghazi and started firing. three americans were trapped inside including ambassador stevens. if this were not enough of a crisis going on, back at home mitt romney decides to weigh in before it's even clear what is going on in libya. so at 10:30 last night romney issues a statement attacking the cairo embassy's statement earlier, when those guys were just trying to diffuse the situation on the ground. romney said in his statement last night, it's disgraceful that the obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our top plow our diplomatic missions but to sympathize with those who wage attacks. at the point that the cairo embassy had issued their statements, there had been no attacks. a protest was gathering. but after romney issued that statement last night, it was confirmed that, in fact, the ambassador in libya was killed. now, all of this happened and romney is publicly criticized for jumping the gun on issuing his statement before he even knew what the heck was goi
CNN
Sep 20, 2012 2:00am PDT
death. four americans were killed in the attack on the american consulate in benghazi last week. the nation's counter-terrorism chief telling congress heavily armed extremistsaw an opportunity to attack during protests over an anti-muslim film and took it. and the u.s. is looking for links to al qaeda. >> i would say, yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. >> now sources are telling cnn ambassador stevens was worried about his and others safety mentioning a rise in islamic extremism and growing al qaeda presence in libya. he also mentioned being on an al qaeda hit list. john mccain was outraged last night. >> does it make any sense to you the level, or the small level of security he apparently had with him? >> it doesn't make any sense. i'll tell you what else doesn't make any sense is that the white house spokesman, secretary of state and our ambassador to the u.n. stating categorically it was not a terrorist attack when obviously it had all the earmarks of a terrorist attack including rocket propelled grenades and heavy weapons and a very wel
FOX
Sep 14, 2012 7:00am PDT
, libya, four people have been arrested in connection with the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. u.s. embassy chris stevens and three other americans were killed in the attack. u.s. warships are headed to the coast of libya and a group of marines has also been deployed. >>> a british newspaper is claiming that the u.s. had early warnings about the attack in libya. we'll get reaction from the obama administration from that when we go live to our washington, d.c. bureau. >>> 7:07. well, service rating for -- ratings in san francisco, for muni, they had a 57% on-time rating in august. that compares to 53% in march. muni blames this on a shortage of drivers and then they say a number of employees have called in sick lately. >>> let's check in with sal. i heard you mention that normally friday light, kind of not happening. we got off to a bad start. highway 4 is one of them. we had some late-running roadwork in the construction zone in antioch and pittsburgh pittsburg. the roadwork is gone. now the backup is pretty solid from antioch all the way out to concord. on this friday, when some
PBS
Sep 15, 2012 12:00am PDT
in benghazi, where ambassador chris stevens and three colleagues died tuesday. >> ( translated ): i want to offer my thanks to ambassador stevens. i want to thank him and to thank the american people who gave birth to such special diplomats. >> brown: the bodies of the four slain americans were repatriated today outside washington at joint base andrews. >> let light perpetual shine on chris, sean, glen and tyrone. >> brown: ambassador stevens and state department officer sean smith were brought home with two former navy seals who'd been detailed to protect stevens, tyrone woods and glen doherty. president obama paid tribute to them, joined by secretary of state clinton. >> they didn't simply embrace the american ideal, they lived it, they embodied it. the courage, the hope and, yes, the idealism-- that fundamental american belief that we can leave this world a little better than before. that's who they were and that's who we are. if we want to truly honor their memory, that's who we must always be. >> brown: the president again pledged that the killers would be brought to justice, and th
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